[Nikola Radosevic]

I just read on Laidback Luke's forum, that he recommend lowcutting the bassline at around 80 or at least 60 Hz to make a kick stand out more. I'm really shocked cause I never heard anyone say something like that, and I'm learning about dance music production for quite some time.

Also he said that you should always keep your kick and bass in mono, yet a heard a lot about people using stereo mid and high basses, and I hear some clicks in kicks that are stereo(some vengeance kick samples have higher freqs in stereo).

Your thoughts on this?

This post has been edited by Nikola Radosevic: 10 February 2012 - 08:31 AM

[Pineda]

I guess it depends...

for pumpy house music you want to use big pumpy low-endy kicks... if thats the case, then it makes sense to make the kick stand up on its own...

For trance usually you have at least 2 diff basslines... one for the SUBBASS and another more treblier Bassline.... Its good practice to lc anything below 30 hz on the sub and anything below 80 hz on the higher bass... again it depends on the freq contents of each..

[dj_phi]

i usually low cut my sub bass at 30-45 hz. usually anything from 20-45 is just useless.

to OP, sub bass is sub bass. there are mid basses and high basses. there is no "mid and high subbass".

there are basslines that have sub content AS WELL as mid and high content.


tbh, this is where Sonalksis Stereotools comes in handy. it has a knob that centers frequencies below a cutoff frequency that you set with that knob. and you can widen all the frequencies above that.

so THAT is why you're hearing "stereo high and mid sub basses" because they've centered the actual sub content and left the mid and high content stereo.

it's true that you should mono your sub bass and kick. or at least center any frequencies below 200hz ish. maybe a little lower than that.


hope this helps.

[Marcioz Pollack]

I normally cut mines from 55-50 hz to 0

[Nikola Radosevic]

dj_phi, on 10 February 2012 - 05:03 AM, said:

to OP, sub bass is sub bass. there are mid basses and high basses. there is no "mid and high subbass".

LOL! I thought mid and high bass. I accidently wrote that.

[Nikola Radosevic]

dj_phi, on 10 February 2012 - 05:03 AM, said:

tbh, this is where Sonalksis Stereotools comes in handy. it has a knob that centers frequencies below a cutoff frequency that you set with that knob. and you can widen all the frequencies above that.

so THAT is why you're hearing "stereo high and mid sub basses" because they've centered the actual sub content and left the mid and high content stereo.

it's true that you should mono your sub bass and kick. or at least center any frequencies below 200hz ish. maybe a little lower than that.


hope this helps.

I use otiumFX Bassline for that. But LBL said "your bassline should be always in mono", not just low freqs of it, as if thewhole bassline should be mono. This is what confuses me. Well, maybe it's like that for house, but isn't for example Hardwell - Cobra bassline in stereo.

[Bluffmunkey]

Definitely, yes.

[Audioholic]

Nikola Radosevic, on 10 February 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

I use otiumFX Bassline for that. But LBL said "your bassline should be always in mono", not just low freqs of it, as if thewhole bassline should be mono. This is what confuses me. Well, maybe it's like that for house, but isn't for example Hardwell - Cobra bassline in stereo.

I guess what he meant with bassline is the part where the bassfrequencies actually are. Any higher supporting frequencies can be as wide as you want them to be. Mid bass and high bass arent realy bass in that context, but thwey are there to support and give prescence if needed imo

Anyhow, even if you would mono your entire bassline including mids and highs, layering a stereo synth line or even percs can give the illusion that it sounds wide

This post has been edited by Audioholic: 10 February 2012 - 11:07 AM

[Klaneeer]

Audioholic, on 10 February 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

I guess what he meant with bassline is the part where the bassfrequencies actually are. Any higher supporting frequencies can be as wide as you want them to be. Mid bass and high bass arent realy bass in that context, but thwey are there to support and give prescence if needed imo

Anyhow, even if you would mono your entire bassline including mids and highs, layering a stereo synth line or even percs can give the illusion that it sounds wide

true that. the best power you can get when u mix kick, sub, mid (almost mono) and some big perc sound in mono, thats why the new tracks like ingrosso - calling or axwell - in my mind have 40 times more power than some e.g. tritonal or smth like that basslines. Stop hating swedish housers and start learning from them as they push °ing punch into the next level. Just compare :



0:30

and



2:26 and u called that track massive xDDD

and i know that u all consider me as the guy who is preaching heresy

This post has been edited by Klaneeer: 10 February 2012 - 12:15 PM

[FarleyCZ]

I'd say you need to listen at first. EDM producers tend to do fat bottom, so in most cases low cutting is good idea, but I can imagine situation, where it would make bass too light.

[AzurCloud]

Nikola Radosevic, on 10 February 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

I just read on Laidback Luke's forum, that he recommend lowcutting the bassline at around 80 or at least 60 Hz to make a kick stand out more. I'm really shocked cause I never heard anyone say something like that, and I'm learning about dance music production for quite some time.

Also he said that you should always keep your kick and bass in mono, yet a heard a lot about people using stereo mid and high basses, and I hear some clicks in kicks that are stereo(some vengeance kick samples have higher freqs in stereo).

Your thoughts on this?

Wow! Well, personally I would never set the cut-off anywhere near as high (40 hz, at the most). As I see it, a great amount of the power in a kick drum resides between 20-50 Hz.

[ThomasHayesMusic]

Should have a low cut on all channels... pads, bass, even kicks... under 40hz there are just artifacts which can take the energy out of a track even though we cant often hear them

[Vlake]

Low cut around 30 or 40 on the Master Chanel directly, makes life easier .

More precisely if you guys have FabFilter Pro-Q, 30 - 40 in the mid and 50 on the sides with lower slope.

[Kevin Charm]

Vlake, on 11 February 2012 - 02:46 AM, said:

Low cut around 30 or 40 on the Master Chanel directly, makes life easier .

More precisely if you guys have FabFilter Pro-Q, 30 - 40 in the mid and 50 on the sides with lower slope.

Lol have fun playing your track in a club with your sub missing below 40Hz, your track will have no energy.

[alanisnotcool]

Kevin Charm, on 11 February 2012 - 03:31 AM, said:

Lol have fun playing your track in a club with your sub missing below 40Hz, your track will have no energy.

haha true story

[Marcioz Pollack]

Well we can examinate two of the most played in clubs trance tracks of last year on the middle of the 'bass part'

Here is Sun & Moon by Above&Beyond



and here is Rebound by Arty & Mat Zo



As Kevin said, no 40hz, no party

This post has been edited by Marcioz Pollack: 11 February 2012 - 06:09 AM

[seo]

all this talk about low cutting the bass is rather useless without also mentioning how steep of a filter you use as it can make quite a difference whether you use a 12db filter or a 48db filter.

personally I think how much it is good to cut at least somewhat depends on the kick itself, i.e. how deep the main frequencies of the kick go.